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    Alright I'm going to share something with you guys I'm not exactly proud of it but...

    So for my class this semester I had to record a bunch of musicians who have never played together before, who all had a 6 hour notice to record a cover of a song which is already a cover of a song. They did really well for the situation. We had a whole 3 hours for me to set everything up. Mics, placement, encouraging them that they are great musicians, etc. and then re-recording the guitars with my room mate and his evh 5150 and adding solos that didnt exist before. Is it my best work? no. Is it my worst work? no. It's the first time I've ever had to record all real instruments with no samples, no electronics and trying out mics I've never used before. We only had a short time to record, and then for the mix down I had an even shorter time, but it is 100% analog. I made it as basic as I could while riding the faders and taking advantage of using the physical (not plugin) plate reverbs that I could. Its a punk cover of a don henley song and I did want it to be as raw as it could and the metal in me said "could a solo fit there? ok lets do it."

    https://soundcloud.com/traviswahlrem.../s-NmaExDuO4xe

    #2
    Dig it. Sounds like it was a fun exercise, too.
    Don't expect much, it's not like I'm a Rocket Surgeon...

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      #3
      That's a really useful thing to do. Having time pressures forces you to make solid decisions and deal with it in the mix, and performance coaching is a rare art too.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Iron1 View Post
        Dig it. Sounds like it was a fun exercise, too.
        It's on going. We just turned in "Phase 1" today which is 100% analog. There was a Tracking session, an overdub session, and then a mix session which was 100% analog on a neve large format console and outboard gear with our patchbays looking like spaghetti. Now we start Phase 2 which the teacher will listen to our projects and tell us their thoughts before we do a new overdub session on the instruments he feels can be performed better, drum replacing, and then a mix done ITB.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Lozek View Post
          That's a really useful thing to do. Having time pressures forces you to make solid decisions and deal with it in the mix, and performance coaching is a rare art too.
          Ya the pressure of time made me throw out a lot of what I was planning to do and focus on the basics and pray that my musicians actually practiced the song. When I record people I like to build them up and make them feel comfortable. Not just go in and hit record. Gotta talk to them and vibe a little.

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            #6
            i really enjoyed this. good job!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Hellion View Post
              i really enjoyed this. good job!
              It's going to get better. Phase 2 for me starts on Saturday and basically it's to improve on what my teacher suggests.

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                #8
                That was really well done. Nice work!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by T Gobbs View Post
                  That was really well done. Nice work!
                  The perfectionist in me is saying "I wish I had more time to make it better" pro tools giving me shit and then the flying faders on the console running off of a computer with windows xp and setting that up ate up more time than I prefer.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MegasRemixos View Post

                    The perfectionist in me is saying "I wish I had more time to make it better" pro tools giving me shit and then the flying faders on the console running off of a computer with windows xp and setting that up ate up more time than I prefer.
                    Totally get that. Done and out beats perfect every time, though!

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                      #11
                      sounds great, love the solo it has a nice tone too. excellent work, those type of situations give you real-world experience,

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                        #12
                        I am currently listening to the rest of my class mates songs' the record and a lot of did really fucking good on the recording part with super clean sound but we all have the same complaint:Time. There's so much we would have liked to do but we were very limited in time. A 4 hour recording session really means 2 hours. 1-1.5 hours of set up. 2 hours of recording. and then the remaining time to save it and document it.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by MegasRemixos View Post
                          I am currently listening to the rest of my class mates songs' the record and a lot of did really fucking good on the recording part with super clean sound but we all have the same complaint:Time. There's so much we would have liked to do but we were very limited in time. A 4 hour recording session really means 2 hours. 1-1.5 hours of set up. 2 hours of recording. and then the remaining time to save it and document it.
                          I used to have the same complaint when I did recording technology at college in the 90's, the live room doubled as a classroom and getting any time booked at all let alone long sessions was impossible. This is how it goes, even the big guys have deadlines and looks back on stuff with a sense that it could have been better with more time, but this experience also helps you to focus in on what's important and 'getting there quicker'.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by MegasRemixos View Post

                            It's going to get better. Phase 2 for me starts on Saturday and basically it's to improve on what my teacher suggests.
                            This is cool - must have been a lot of fun to do. Chick is really belting it out on the choruses, too, which surprised me since she seemed a little tentative on the first verse.

                            I am not qualified to critique this at all, but I'd be curious what your teacher comes back with here. Listening to this, I'm thinking the cymbals on the kit sound great, and the guitars have this really thrashy lo-fi energy to them that's really working. Snare sounds distant and kind of boxy though, and the choruses, the reverb on the vocal becomes a little too prominent to my ears. Kick drum and bass are a little low I think too, and maybe the low-mids in the guitars need to be pulled back a hair?

                            This must have been a lot of fun to do - I'm jealous!

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Drew View Post

                              This is cool - must have been a lot of fun to do. Chick is really belting it out on the choruses, too, which surprised me since she seemed a little tentative on the first verse.

                              I am not qualified to critique this at all, but I'd be curious what your teacher comes back with here. Listening to this, I'm thinking the cymbals on the kit sound great, and the guitars have this really thrashy lo-fi energy to them that's really working. Snare sounds distant and kind of boxy though, and the choruses, the reverb on the vocal becomes a little too prominent to my ears. Kick drum and bass are a little low I think too, and maybe the low-mids in the guitars need to be pulled back a hair?

                              This must have been a lot of fun to do - I'm jealous!
                              We are supposed to have our revision overdub sessions this Tuesday. Still haven't heard his thoughts on them yet. With this being an all analog mix and pretty much only 2 hours of actual mixing decisions have to be made right there. Also things will go wrong since pro tools hates me. The next mix is done in a different room and will be all digital. The bass was just a DI and it's a very clean signal. I do know that I want to put a UAD bass amp on it and add some crunch to it.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by MegasRemixos View Post

                                We are supposed to have our revision overdub sessions this Tuesday. Still haven't heard his thoughts on them yet. With this being an all analog mix and pretty much only 2 hours of actual mixing decisions have to be made right there. Also things will go wrong since pro tools hates me. The next mix is done in a different room and will be all digital. The bass was just a DI and it's a very clean signal. I do know that I want to put a UAD bass amp on it and add some crunch to it.
                                Cool - naturally you'll have to share the finished version. \m/

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Drew View Post

                                  Cool - naturally you'll have to share the finished version. \m/
                                  The cymbals sound the way they do because I used a room mic 10ft in front of the kit (A ribbon preferably) and sent it to an 1176, all buttons in and smashed the signal until it distorted. Blend it in just enough and the difference is night and day. I blend it til it's barely noticeable on it's own but if you take off the 1176 it's like something in the room died.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by MegasRemixos View Post

                                    The cymbals sound the way they do because I used a room mic 10ft in front of the kit (A ribbon preferably) and sent it to an 1176, all buttons in and smashed the signal until it distorted. Blend it in just enough and the difference is night and day. I blend it til it's barely noticeable on it's own but if you take off the 1176 it's like something in the room died.
                                    Smashed room mics.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Drew View Post

                                      Smashed room mics.
                                      Doesn't matter what genre you're mixing. They give the song so much character.

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                                        #20
                                        Updated mix: https://soundcloud.com/traviswahlrem.../s-jnk7zO3pdBN

                                        Still the same deal about 2 hours to mix. A lot I wish I could have done. I tried to take care of most of the EQ, and Dynamics at home but pro tools on my home system will sometimes say "nope" and just flat out not work. The mix itself is very basic except that I'm using a short reverb on the verse vocals and a long reverb on the chorus vocals and automating the bus send to blend them in but they're still pretty subtle. It's a rock song so it's a little louder than what I would usually do, but also a lot dryer than what I would usually do too.

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