EBMM John Petrucci 8 String Majesty

[Bloody_Inferno]

JP just talking about his new djentstick but doesn't play it.

[Chris]

[Budda]

Correct.

[Mike]

It was inevitable.

People with money want these things, just like when 7s exploded.

[Darren]

They totally got the string spread wrong on the bridge pickup. Those pole pieces seem to be misaligned to the bottom string by quite a bit.

[Chris]

It was inevitable.

People with money want these things, just like when 7s exploded.

When 7s exploded, there were tons of awesome obviously-seven-string songs put out by Vai, DT and Korn.

To date there are still zero good 8 string songs. Ever.

[Naren]

To date there are still zero good 8 string songs. Ever.

This may be the most wrong thing Chris has ever said.

[Webdood]

Djohn Petrucci now

[jacksonplayer]

Does this mean Myung's going to be even more inaudible in DT from now on???

[Chris]

This may be the most wrong thing Chris has ever said.

Show me a good example that wouldn't be better on a 7 or a 6 and isn't just a bunch of mindless off-time F# chugging like every Meshuggah song. I'll wait.

[Coop]

Show me a good example that wouldn't be better on a 7 or a 6 and isn't just a bunch of mindless off-time F# chugging like every Meshuggah song. I'll wait.

I can't think of many.

[playstopause]

Djohn Petrucci now

Guitar looks ridiculous. Maybe he can shovel more dirt, now that his shovel is wider?

[Coop]

Guitar looks ridiculous. Maybe he can shovel more dirt, now that his shovel is wider?

Agreed. I always wanted an old JP but the Majesty is a bit of an eye sore. Even more so in an 8....

[Hulk Krogan]

That thing is hideous.

[Bloody_Inferno]

Show me a good example that wouldn't be better on a 7 or a 6 and isn't just a bunch of mindless off-time F# chugging like every Meshuggah song. I'll wait.

It's still sort of in that djent camp, but it's melodic at least resembles a song rather than an exercise in mindless shred.

[Ghost.]

Show me a good example that wouldn't be better on a 7 or a 6 and isn't just a bunch of mindless off-time F# chugging like every Meshuggah song. I'll wait.

I'd have to thoroughly concur in many ways.

Aside from Meshuggah and the Doom (2016) & Doom Eternal soundtrack.

It's very few and far between. Which is why I'm having such a rather difficult time coming up with 8 String songs for my band that don't sound like they've already been done.
I may have to convince them to playing in B Standard on a 7 again.

Though, Chimp Spanner's "Bad Code" was tough and Rusty Cooley's song in his band "Outworld," "The Never" was a killer track but he was using a High A instead.


I just think it's cool that when John Petrucci told me about the 8 String when I asked him years ago, it looks exactly as he said.
Curious to see if he'll do a low F# or a High A.

The guitar looks kind of wacky and there is no way I'd pay 5k for it either if they end up being that much.

[Chris]

It's still sort of in that djent camp, but it's melodic at least resembles a song rather than an exercise in mindless shred.

It's not sort of djent. It's djent. Noodly practice pattern djent.

[Hulk Krogan]

the Doom (2016) & Doom Eternal soundtrack.

To Chris's point though, those two OSTs make up like 99% of the good 8 string songs I can think of off the top of my head. Allegaeon had some cool ones on their second album, which is when they started using 8s.

The other guitarist in my old band got an 8 at one point and startws incorporating it into our stuff, but it was mostly playibg big beefy chords or low trem picked stuff to add low end to other parts iirc.

[jacksonplayer]

I just think it's cool that when John Petrucci told me about the 8 String when I asked him years ago, it looks exactly as he said.
Curious to see if he'll do a low F# or a High A.

It doesn't look like that scale length would work for B to high A. You'd want a fan from, say, 26.5 down to about 24 or even shorter to make the high A viable. On my 25.5" KxK 7, I was only able to go up to a high F# using a .007 string. I could tune up to G with it, but the tone and playability were terrible. A 24" scale length at the top would probably allow for a high A, though.

I'm sure this is just to get into the djent market. Petrucci doesn't even play his sevens that much anymore, AFAIK.

[Ghost.]

YES SIR!

I wish I was better at the game.

[Ghost.]

It doesn't look like that scale length would work for B to high A. You'd want a fan from, say, 26.5 down to about 24 or even shorter to make the high A viable. On my 25.5" KxK 7, I was only able to go up to a high F# using a .007 string. I could tune up to G with it, but the tone and playability were terrible. A 24" scale length at the top would probably allow for a high A, though.

I'm sure this is just to get into the djent market. Petrucci doesn't even play his sevens that much anymore, AFAIK.

He used it a little bit on the last album for two or three tracks? I know this one (reminds me of Awake) and "Pale Blue Dot."

[scole]

They truly did it. They found a way to make a EBMM headstock look even WORSE.

[Randy]

The issue with the 8-string is that low F# (or lower) absolutely cannot be played with chords because it's got such a massive waveform all on its own it just gobbles up any other notes you play at the same time, plus the sustain is so different between it and everything else, it sounds like it jumps in and out of phase.

That's the reason why you hear it in djent almost exclusively, because you're only ever going to use it open and by itself, plus you often have to mute it so it doesn't just drone over everything you play after. So in practice, it works better as a percussive instrument than a melodic instrument.

Still has it's use though. Can't say "show me an 8 string song that doesn't sound like Meshuggah" when the reverse is also true, you're not gonna play a Meshuggah song on a 25.5" scale 6-string guitar. If you want *that* sound, you're using a baritone or an 8.

[jacksonplayer]

An 8-string would actually be cool for chord-melody jazz or other types of solo guitar where you want to be able to play the bass notes. For rock, it's just walking all over the bass player.

[Hulk Krogan]

YES SIR!

I wish I was better at the game.

I got REALLY into it early in covid and started trying to do UN runs and stuff. I've managed it on the 2nd dlc and one of the maser levels, but the full game is just such a long time to go without making any mistakes. I don't know how people do it.