IDGAF, this Trivum song owns

[RevDrucifer]

I know these guys catch a lot of flak and they leave themselves open for that, IMO. There’s a few tunes of theirs that I really dig, but this one is easily my favorite. Balls to the wall fuckin’ banger. When this song comes on in my truck, I lose all care about my tinnitus and all I can do is try to steer properly because I can’t stop airdrumming the shit out of this. The fuckin’ pre-chorus switching between half and double time is just SICK AS FUCK

[playstopause]

They may lack personality, but I've seen people appreciate far worst stuff than Trivium.

[RevDrucifer]

They may lack personality, but I've seen people appreciate far worst stuff than Trivium.

There’s certainly a blandness that I think has a lot to do with Matt Heafy. Dude seems like a really great guy, well balanced and all, but by his own admission, dude had a pretty cushy life. While I don’t feel all art needs to derive from torment or torture, there is certainly an aspect of metal music I’ve come to appreciate when I can tell it’s coming from that place. It’s exactly what draws me to people like Layne Staley or Devin Townsend.

It’s certainly not a bad thing that the dude’s had a cushy life, by any means, shit, I wish everyone did, but I think it might be exactly that that’s leant itself to the rather bland delivery of most of his vocal performances.

But the music from that song above just pushes all that shit out of the way for me, the music, especially the fucking drums, just gets me so goddamn pumped. Alex Bent can fucking tear it the fuck up.

I have a bit of a hometown ‘love’ for some of those guys, too. Corey, the guitarist, grew up in the town next to mine and shooting the shit on twitter, we found we’ve been at pretty much every metal show in the 90’s at the same time and bought all our strings and shit at the same places. Josh Wilbur is from Maine as well and for a while we had a group message going about Mainer shit, which was cool because it’s not like those guys owed me any time to shoot the shit, but for like 3 weeks it was a bunch of jokes about Dunkin Donuts and Moxie. And the bassist Paulo used to live down the street from me here in Florida until he moved. I caught him at a Ryche show a few years back and shot the shit with him, not knowing it was him until the next day. Good kid, but I heard he had to pay $15K to get into the band.

[Megametal7]

I dig it, the chorus is really nice, proper headbanger.

[pjr]

There’s certainly a blandness that I think has a lot to do with Matt Heafy.

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It’s certainly not a bad thing that the dude’s had a cushy life, by any means, shit, I wish everyone did, but I think it might be exactly that that’s leant itself to the rather bland delivery of most of his vocal performances.

I think another contributor to this is that it seems like the dude had absolutely no confidence in his own voice. As a casual listener it always weirded me out that he'd sound like Hetfield in one album but that Disturbed guy (wha-ah-ah-oh) in the next. No real conviction to his own voice/sound which I think led to a lot of blandness.

Seems like he's leaned in a little more recently since I agree the last two albums both have some killer tunes.

[RevDrucifer]

I think another contributor to this is that it seems like the dude had absolutely no confidence in his own voice. As a casual listener it always weirded me out that he'd sound like Hetfield in one album but that Disturbed guy (wha-ah-ah-oh) in the next. No real conviction to his own voice/sound which I think led to a lot of blandness.

Seems like he's leaned in a little more recently since I agree the last two albums both have some killer tunes.

Good point. He’s talked about that a lot, too, just figuring out what he wanted to do with it and how. I tore my throat to shreds “teaching” myself how to scream and had to take a little over a year off from singing so I could re-learn all my technique(s). I could imagine if I were in a band with the success they’ve had, that’s probably something that keeps the dude up at night, not knowing if he was going to completely lose his voice eventually or what.

I know he spent the last couple years with Ron Andersen, who is the guy that works with the Mariah Carey’s, Whitney Houston’s, Beyoncé’s, etc, so it should be interesting to see if he sticks with what he’s done on the last album. I know they tracked clean vocals on certain days and screaming on others and if you watch his live streams, that dude plays it SAFE.

I feel bad baggin’ on the guy because he’s really a super positive, uplifting dude. Never once read or heard of him being an asshole or saying a bad thing about someone else and he’s clearly very dedicated to his career, which I have nothing but respect for. I just wish the dude would have some kind of tragedy that would make him say, “Fuck it, I don’t care if this is the right way to sing this, THIS is how it’s getting out.”

[Mike]

I actually rather enjoyed "The Catastrophist". This one is not quite that good, but still pretty good.

[Naren]

I don't understand why so many people dislike Trivium. Every single album they've put out has been amazing.

In fact, I really really hold this against "trve" metal fans because they hated Trivium so much that I didn't even actually bother checking out Trivium until around 2014 or so. You can say it's my fault for just believing all the nonsense and bullshit virtually every fan of prog, death, black, extreme, and such metal said. But after I finally checked them out around 2014, I ended up buying almost all of their albums and seriously felt like I'd been lied to for over a decade. What I was hearing with my ears did not remotely match what everyone had been saying.

Seriously, fuck "true metal fans." Seriously. Trivium rules. What the Dead Men Say is a masterpiece too.

[Iron1]

...there is certainly an aspect of metal music I’ve come to appreciate when I can tell it’s coming from that place.

I'll never forget an interview with Tom Araya back in the mid 80s where he said something like "Slayer isn't the kind of band you get into if you had the all-American, white picket fence childhood" /paraphrase. For me at least, metal is an outlet for pain, anger, all that. Which is why I can't stand "metal" bands that lack that undercurrent of emotional aggression - and why I bristle when people call bands like GnR 'metal'. But, if others like that stuff, to each their own.


On topic, this might be the first Trivium song I've ever listened to all the way thru. It's technically excellent, but kinda lacks the spark for me. Reminds me of As I Lay Dying with less sincere aggression. But if you dig it, that's all that matters.

[Megametal7]

I don't understand why so many people dislike Trivium. Every single album they've put out has been amazing.

In fact, I really really hold this against "trve" metal fans because they hated Trivium so much that I didn't even actually bother checking out Trivium until around 2014 or so. You can say it's my fault for just believing all the nonsense and bullshit virtually every fan of prog, death, black, extreme, and such metal said. But after I finally checked them out around 2014, I ended up buying almost all of their albums and seriously felt like I'd been lied to for over a decade. What I was hearing with my ears did not remotely match what everyone had been saying.

Seriously, fuck "true metal fans." Seriously. Trivium rules. What the Dead Men Say is a masterpiece too.

For me it was vocals that turned me off , I cant seem to like that type of vocals. They do have some sick riffs but overall, songs don't do it for me.

This song was first one I listened all the way through and even with this one I liked the sections of song rather than whole song.

[Chris]

They may lack personality, but I've seen people appreciate far worst stuff than Trivium.

I think that's it, really. If you asked me why I don't like Trivium I couldn't really tell you. Heavy songs, decent players, good productions, etc, etc.

It's just so... generic? They sound like the sample songs you'd expect to come with a Toontrack product.

[RevDrucifer]

Well, it’s at least better than my Mudvayne thread.

[playstopause]

^

That one will be hard to beat.

[Ghost.]

This is when Trivium ruled. There was some grit to them.
Always had hope they would get better and better. To me, it just doesn't seem that way.

Because while I do like parts of this new song. In general it just sounds generic.

[Mike]

I think that's it, really. If you asked me why I don't like Trivium I couldn't really tell you. Heavy songs, decent players, good productions, etc, etc.

It's just so... generic? They sound like the sample songs you'd expect to come with a Toontrack product.

Yeah, I agree, although their writing has consistently improved to the point where I've actually gone back to a couple of the songs on the latest one.

[RevDrucifer]

Yeah, there’s definitely a generic thing going on with a lot of their tunes. Metal-by-numbers stuff, for sure. But they put out an occasional banger and my head won’t deny the opportunity to bang away.

The production on the new album is fucking sick. I was really looking forward to the new Gojira album specifically because Andy Wallace mixed it, but in comparison to this Trivium one….man. I dig the natural sound of the Gojira one, but the drum mix alone on this Trivium disc is just fucking PERFECT and overall, there’s just a ton more energy in it. Doesn’t sound smashed to shit and back either.