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    Does anyone use a speaker cab sim to send signal to FOH?

    Could be that I'm WAY over thinking this. I've been fiddling with the idea of getting a Speaker Cab Sim / IR loader. The idea here would be to have a speaker sim between my amp and cab so I can send a signal straight to FOH without having to Mic my speaker cab. Overall goal is to make things as easy as possible when setting up on stage. FOH person would just need to give me an XLR cable and we are off to the races. Anybody have any personal experience?

    I'm not looking for any kind of amp simulation, cabinet only. The ability to load custom IR's would be a requirement.

    Something like the Two Notes CAB M+, but I would be interested in lower cost options as well if there are any decent ones.
    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...imulator-pedal

    #2
    There are lower cost options, but I wouldn't trust a gig with less than a Two Notes. Find one used if you can

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      #3
      I've been thinking about the St Rock React:IR. IR Loader, load box, attenuator, etc. Rack mountable. Believe it's also MIDI switchable so you can switch your IRs with MIDI for different patches, if that's something that appeals to you.

      https://www.st-rock.com/reactir/

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        #4
        This seems like super overkill unless you are running something like a fractal or helix product in 4 cable method. I run a split out of my helix back to my amp before the output so I can run all the same effects to FOH via IR and to the power amp on my amp. I dont use any amp models when I run 4CM but other times I just drag my Helix and leave tha amp home so I skip all the extra setup.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Cameron View Post
          This seems like super overkill unless you are running something like a fractal or helix product in 4 cable method. I run a split out of my helix back to my amp before the output so I can run all the same effects to FOH via IR and to the power amp on my amp. I dont use any amp models when I run 4CM but other times I just drag my Helix and leave tha amp home so I skip all the extra setup.
          maybe if you used rack gear with your head anyway, throwing a Two Notes or St. Rock in there would be worth it. otherwise it does come across as a bit overkill. i do send a cab sim to FOH but i use a Kemper so it doesn't really count.

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            #6
            The CABM might be your best bet. I love my Torpedo Live, but actually haven't used it live, yet. All the gigs I did between buying it and Covid Lockdown were local gigs where my 4x12 was plenty enough. But, Gojira uses Two Notes gear live, and they're live sound is pretty legendary.

            I also have my Fractal setup with a cab-sim out for going direct, should the need ever come up. One less mic on stage will make your soundman happy.

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              #7
              After some thought I think I'm overthinking this and should just let the sound person mic my cab instead of buying another piece of gear.

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                #8
                Originally posted by man jerk View Post
                After some thought I think I'm overthinking this and should just let the sound person mic my cab instead of buying another piece of gear.
                Probably.

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                  #9
                  You could look into the gsp1101.

                  That can load irs only on the XLR out and you can get them for about £80

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Leon View Post
                    The CABM might be your best bet. I love my Torpedo Live, but actually haven't used it live, yet. All the gigs I did between buying it and Covid Lockdown were local gigs where my 4x12 was plenty enough. But, Gojira uses Two Notes gear live, and they're live sound is pretty legendary.

                    I also have my Fractal setup with a cab-sim out for going direct, should the need ever come up. One less mic on stage will make your soundman happy.
                    Yep, I’m setting my FM9 rig up to be stereo onstage but FOH gets a mono signal of the same amp/effects, just the mono version. There stereo shit onstage is just for me to have fun with. Though, in the smaller bars, it’ll work out fairly well for those up front who are able to hear the stage volume and really, half the joints down here don’t even mic you up.
                    The Karmic Law is not kismet. It is not fate but cause and effect. It is a taskmaster to the unwise; a servant to the wise.

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                      #11
                      look into this --
                      https://www.nuxefx.com/solid-studio.html

                      it looks like it's pretty versatile.

                      Can go at the end of the pedal board, or sit between the head and cab. even has IR capture capability on it.

                      supports IR loading

                      and it's pretty cheap at $199.
                      Last edited by Briansol; 09-23-2021, 06:52 PM.

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                        #12
                        My pedalboard based fly rig (I'll take a pic eventually) is based around using the Stomp essentially as an IR loader. Signal chain is:

                        OD >> Tube Preamp Pedal (Kingsley Maiden for extra cork sniffer points) >> Stomp (IR, delay, reverb) >> FOH

                        I've been playing with my friend's jazz / fusion - ish late night bar band and this has worked out perfectly. The Stomp doesn't have an XLR out unfortunately so I bring a TRS > XLR cable that we run to FOH. When I was first putting the board together I looked at the Two Notes CAB M+ and getting a delay/reverb combo but figured once I added everything up that a (used) Stomp ended up being cheaper and more space efficient. Now it all fits on a Nano+.

                        YMMV.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by man jerk View Post
                          After some thought I think I'm overthinking this and should just let the sound person mic my cab instead of buying another piece of gear.
                          Nah you're so close to the right idea here. For what you're looking for, the best all-in-one solution to send an amp signal to FOH with an IR is the Torpedo Captor X or Mesa CabClone IR. Either will allow you to sent the full load of your amp's speaker output through it and you can give an XLR output to FOH.

                          I don't know if the Nux that Briansol recommended or the Engl Cabloader can take a full amp load, you may have to just use the preamp out for those. But the Torpedo Cab M can pass through your speaker load to the amp while sending a FOH signal with an IR, that would be my choice if I didn't have access to the Captor X or Cabclone IR.

                          Another cheaper thing you could do is run one of the older black Captors that's half the price along with a cheap IR sim pedal like the Mooer Radar and then you could do basically the same thing as Captor X for less $. Just a thought.

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                            #14
                            Captor X is always the answer.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jeff View Post
                              Captor X is always the answer.
                              It's just the best.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by desertdweller View Post

                                It's just the best.
                                Like Peaches.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Jeff View Post
                                  Captor X is always the answer.
                                  This.

                                  It will always sound better than the shitty backline cab that is at the location, or your awesome cab that is shittily mic'd on the shitty stage with a shitty mic.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by petereanima View Post

                                    This.

                                    It will always sound better than the shitty backline cab that is at the location, or your awesome cab that is shittily mic'd on the shitty stage with a shitty mic.
                                    yeah my FOH tone has improved a lot since I started using the Kemper. turns out my profile with a mic position i spent a lot of time on in my studio makes for a better tone than a sound guy just draping an e609 over the front of the cab at a random spot and going, "yeah, that looks right"

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by man jerk View Post
                                      After some thought I think I'm overthinking this and should just let the sound person mic my cab instead of buying another piece of gear.
                                      Yeah I mean it's easy enough with the cab m, I have one. I think this is not something you should cut corners on though as its your entire guitar sound you could be fucking up.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Nick View Post

                                        Yeah I mean it's easy enough with the cab m, I have one. I think this is not something you should cut corners on though as its your entire guitar sound you could be fucking up.
                                        To be fair, the only thing that you can really fuck up with the Kemper is picking some atrocious IR.

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